When promoting the talk show, Li Dan said, "Everyone can talk about a five-minute talk show." This is said to the audience, and mature talk show actors certainly don't follow this standard. There is only a small piece of talk show actor, "write five minutes a year".

At this year's "Talk Show Conference", the small piece with four years of talk show experience really only spoke for five minutes. Originally, according to the order, he should have played at the back, but seeing that Siwen only took two lights, he couldn't help standing up, "It's really worth the challenge, I'm impulsive." After five minutes, he left.

Small chunks are to be expected for this result. Before going on stage, he was still revising the draft. Although he talked about it offline, the effect was also good, but he knew that the effect was not because the draft itself was good. "The offline state is a bit more natural, or the requirements for offline performances are not so high."

The fifth season of "Talk Show", a small single poster

Usually Xiaokuo doesn't look back at his performance video, "it's too embarrassing", but in order to improve, he bites the bullet and watches himself appear on "Talk Show" three times, and every time he finds new problems.

The first time Xiaokuang appeared on "Talk Show Conference" was the third season of Fairy Fight. At that time, he was a newcomer to the show, and he performed very well in the first round. The second generation of the Beijing accent was established, and he took three bursts directly. promotion. In the second round, because of tension, the state was completely wrong, the speed of speech was too fast, and I was eliminated.

In the fourth season, he is no longer a rookie. He also passed the first round, but in the second round, it was too late to memorize the words, and he was watching the teleprompter throughout the game. In the fifth season, he felt that the rhythm was wrong when he spoke, and when he looked back, "I realized that it was very bad."

Screenshot of the third season of "Talk Show", small talk about "dismantling the second generation"

Seeing this, many people may still not be able to remember the specific appearance of the small block. After all, he is not a noticeable presence in the "Talk Show Conference" where many stars were born.

Xiaocui lives in Beijing. After becoming the second generation of demolition, his main job is to be a full-time father and take care of the baby at home. At the end of 2017, when Shanghai Disneyland opened, his wife took the children to play and gave him three days off. He went out to see Kai Mai, and thought that the people on the stage had said it too badly, "If it's all right, so can I." He went back and told his wife that he was going to do this, but he was suspected of going out for fun.

Participated in Shan Liren's free training, took a class, and went to Open Mai. The first time I opened the wheat, the effect was very good. "There were two female audience members who drank too much that day. They were happy with whatever they said, which gave me a lot of encouragement." Professional talk show actor, enter Xiaoguo.

Although there are more opportunities to open up wheat, in the "Talk Show Conference" where "everywhere is a king", Xiaokuo was basically eliminated in the second round, and this year, he simply played a round.

"Basically, all talk show actors are funny in private, at least in their own small circles, but in fact, it's like you are very beautiful in your hometown class. Just find yourself a normal person. With all the funny people together, you're not that funny anymore."

Talking about the small block below the line

On another platform, though, the talk show actor Nibble did something memorable and funny.

Although Xiao Kuai is from Beijing, because of his work, he happened to live in Shanghai in the first half of the year and also experienced two months at home alone. He tells some jokes every day, makes a short video and sends it on Douyin as a "diary", which is funny and sad, and has accumulated a lot of fans who didn't pay attention to him in the show. Many talk show actors mentioned the two months of home life on the show, but Xiaokuo did not mention this experience in the first round of the competition, nor did he use the material in those videos. He felt that if a joke was unpleasant to say, then simply don't say it.

Then, on the day of the official announcement of "Talk Show Conference 5", Xiaokuo announced on his Douyin account that he would also do a show called "Tucao <Talk Show Conference> Conference". At the beginning of the video, he said that there are about 50 talk show actors who can appear on the show every year, and about 10 can be remembered, but in fact there are more than 1,000 talk show actors in the country. A dozen or so, what are the others doing? Next, there are several talk show actors who have seen or have not seen in the show, and express their views on the show frankly: for example, this is mainly a variety show, and the importance of personality and characteristics may be greater than that The talk show itself also expresses his views on the contestants by name, such as who is not as good as himself, but still appears on the show.

When the short video was recorded, the first round of the competition had already ended, and Xiaokuan's explanation for this small program was, "You can't do nothing after you're eliminated, I just figured out that I have to give myself a sense of existence. If I say that, this The reason is obviously a bit selfish, so I thought of a more legitimate reason, the public pays more attention to the top-notch talk show actors, and cares less about us actors who have little traffic."

Screenshot of Weibo from "Tucao <Talk Show Conference> Meeting"

Although the video is done in the form of a half-joking, the question raised by the small piece is intriguing. Apart from the more than ten talk show stars, what kind of mentality do ordinary talk show actors experience this show? Like a small piece of yourself.

"I don't think I am a particularly qualified talk show actor." He believes that the main problem is laziness.

As a full-time dad, he takes the time to talk about talk shows, weekly business performances plus open wheat, and he can talk about five to eight offline. Some of the jokes in Kaimei's speech were not effective, and they did not meet the standards of online programs. He knew that he had to change it, but he couldn't change it if he changed a few words. "Basically, I get angry every day. When I think about it, or I will change it tomorrow, wait and wait, the game will start."

He knew that it was a bad habit to always say the same jokes, but he was just lazy and changed too slowly. Only before each game would he focus on writing. According to the small pieces of self-mockery, writing for five minutes, plus some accumulated jokes, can manage for a year. That's why he kept the frequency of opening the mic all the time. "If I don't go and open the mic, I may not want to do it at all. At least I can maintain a state when I go there."

He believes that being so "lazy" is due to his "inferiority" - it's too much to think about.

Last year, Tong Monan didn't perform well either. After being eliminated, he told Xiaokui, "Let's work hard and go back to Beijing to write for a year." Tong Monan spent more than an hour writing content this year, and this year's scene was very explosive. However, after writing for a while, Xiaokuan felt that "elimination is not a big deal", so he stopped writing it, figured it out, and lay flat. Finally, before the game, he finally completed this year's five-minute KPI.

"It's not that I don't care. My ideal state is to be able to mingle for a round, and I will definitely be a little disappointed if I don't get in in the end. I feel more and more that this industry may not be easy to get through. Everyone works so hard. The law is messed up."

Small block used the word "mixed". It's not that he has a bad attitude towards talk shows, but that he thinks his performance can only be regarded as "dummy" compared to other talk show actors he has seen.

"I am deeply impressed that we have to read the manuscripts of other programs together. I usually go there when I am reading the manuscripts of the guests I am in charge of. If there are special people who take notes, I will not write them down. But I I saw that Niaoniao not only took notes of her own guests, but she also took notes of other guests. I was very shocked at the time, I said what are you doing, are you tired? But people are different. After Wu Xingchen was eliminated, I Still dissolving his emotions, he has already started writing new jokes."

Xiaokuo feels that since the third season of "Talk Show Conference", the competition has become fiercer year by year, "the success of developing talk shows is 'too big', and everyone knows that being a talk show actor can also be successful, so compare Come write, roll it up."

In front of these people who really love talk shows, the small piece at best "likes" the talk show.

All talk show actors who have a good relationship with Xiaokuan know that when they are with Xiaokuan, they should talk less about jokes, and it is best not to talk. Especially Qiu Rui, after being eliminated last year, in addition to Tong Monan's hard work, Qiu Rui also tried his best to catch up. Every time Xiaokuo saw him, he would hold a computer and chat about jokes, and Xiaokuo "criticized" Qiu Rui, "You are like this, keep writing. What's the difference between code? Why don't you just work as a programmer! It's pointless to make a literary job look like a job." Every time he said this, Xiaokuo felt, "Qiu Rui doesn't contact me much anymore, hahahaha. " (Block Talk Show)

But just "like", also let Xiaokuo get out of the haze of elimination as soon as possible. After the first round of this year's games, there were cries from some players' rooms. "They spend more time preparing and writing more manuscripts. Many people may have waited for many years and got a very poor result for the first time." Therefore, although he was a little uncomfortable, he contrasted with some more regrettable blurts. As a show actor, he felt that he "seems not to be so miserable, there are too many people miserable than me".

Soon, he adjusted his mood and began to "review" the problems of "Talk Show 5".

"I think this result, the power of the laughing man is not the only factor. There are many people on the Internet who say that the audience should all vote, but in fact all the audience vote, which may be even more unfair to those actors who have not been on the show. "Talk Show The first phase of the "Convention" breakout competition was recorded for more than ten hours, maybe until two or three o'clock in the night. Many viewers who went to the show may be fans of some actors. Their votes are actually not very rational. Actors are also very unfair. There must be a balance between the professional and the public. But in the eyes of the audience, there may be a small problem in the 'professional part' of some periods. I can only say that the next time I will pick the joker When the time comes, think about it more. Some viewers think that the laughter leader has to take a little more power, but I don’t think it is necessary. Like all competitions, there is no absolute fairness. This year, the laughter leader was scolded by many people, and they all miss it. The former laughter leaders, Yang Tianzhen, Luo Yonghao... But in fact, some people scolded them when they were there. There is no absolute fairness, you can only recognize any situation, there is no other way. If you feel that there are rules It's unreasonable, don't come."

small block serving as moderator

【dialogue】

"It's a good thing to have a talk show actor"

The Paper : Will you search for yourself on the Internet, or your evaluation of this show? Will you go to Douban's "Talk Show Group" to see the posts?

Xiaokuu : I don’t search myself very much, but sometimes I go to Douban, Zhihu, and Weibo to see what people say about the show or other actors. I often watch groups, and it’s very interesting, because I think that group can reflect the diversity of human beings very well. They have what they like and dislike, and they have all kinds of ideas. ideas.

When it comes to me, it mainly depends on how you evaluate it. If it is a positive evaluation, I generally think it makes sense, and if it is a negative evaluation, I will think, you know the shit. Haha. Just kidding.

The Paper : Will you discover the aesthetic trends of some audiences? For example, not only is it important to be funny, but also the position.

Small block : I understand what you mean. I think that when they evaluate actors, they often don't base their evaluations on the performance. They will say, "Whoever said this a few years ago, I can't forgive him until now." I find it very inexplicable to say this. There are still many people who will take it out of context, and guess what is going on by looking at the expression on the face, and it is true. To be honest, if I hadn't participated in the recording of this show, I might have been fooled by them. That kind of confidence and certainty is really deceiving.

I used to fight people online. If a lot of people scold me and they can’t come back, I will make a video and give them a unified reply, which I find very exciting. If there are many people who scold me, I hope to see some new perspectives and new viewpoints, some points that I did not expect, and I will find it quite rewarding, but now many people scold me a little bit.

The Paper : I don't seem to have any negative comments about you.

Xiaokuo : You don’t understand the mentality of actors anymore, it’s the saddest thing that no one pays any attention to you. Doing this business is to attract attention, and no one cares about you is the most painful.

The Paper : You gave a good review in the first game of the third season of "Talk Show". You started talking about the demolition. Why didn't you talk about this stalk later? Many talk show actors have their own effective characteristics and stalks that will be repeatedly brought out and become a label, such as stocks, renters, do you take the initiative to not want to talk about demolition?

Xiaokuu : I didn’t want to say much myself, because the paragraph “Taking off the three” was all newly written, and I didn’t write about it when I was speaking offline before. , but I didn't expect the effect to be good. I am sure how to save energy and how to do it. When I "take off the fourth", I also think about using this qi again. It is a relatively lazy method, because everyone has an impression that if you write it well, you can add points, but I think it may be possible is not written. So this year has basically passed by, and I don't want to use this stalk again. To be honest, these few years have been very difficult, and I am still here, and I am a little fussing about it.

The Paper : You said in "Tucao <Talk Show Conference> Meeting" that in order for this show to be popular, it must have certain personality characteristics, which may be more from the entertainment industry. Is this your true feeling? ?

Tiny : Yes, and I think there's a lot of luck involved. To be honest, I think it’s a good thing for a talk show actor to have a character, because in any good literary and artistic work, the protagonist is liked by others, it must be because of his distinct personality, and it’s normal for an actor to have a character, but your success actually has a lot to do with it. luck ingredient.

Luck is something that you can’t control yourself. For example, this year’s show was recorded in Qingdao, which is beyond the control of the actors. Maodou has such a strong Dalian accent, so there will be bonuses for recording in Qingdao. If you want to record in Shanghai, many The audience couldn't understand it. In fact, it was a bit difficult for me to listen to him. This is because the accent gap is too big, but the effect of recording in Qingdao has not decreased but increased for him.

The Paper : As a talk show actor, are your feelings for this show more complicated? Like you said, there are some elements of luck, but there are also issues of strength, and no one knows the final effect.

Small block : If you don’t perform well, you will definitely analyze the reasons. Everyone will analyze the reasons, but the reasons are the same. Most of them are making excuses for themselves. The recording location is wrong, or the audience is wrong, or the laughing staff didn’t shoot the lights. . These must exist objectively, of course, it will be a little more difficult to write online jokes, that's for sure.

It's actually very easy to make the audience who come to the theater to watch the performance laugh. The performance is a little more vigorous, or the mood is on the top, and the atmosphere is here, but online communication, many of which are secondary communication, everyone will analyze your text. How about it, and after more people watch it, everyone will pay more attention to what social topics you discuss, whether the passage is subtle enough, and how about the metaphor and technique. Some actors work hard to create such jokes, but the results are some good, some not so good, and they don't have the effect they want to achieve.

So my opinion on this show now is to write what I am more satisfied with first. It doesn't matter if it is good or not. At least I will talk about it first, and don't look back and be scolded for not doing it well.

Performing well online, "I don't have to do anything this year"

The Paper : After talking about 4 years of talk shows, why is there such a big difference between online and offline?

Small block : People who go offline to watch performances in theaters are specifically going to talk shows, and some of the audience watching the shows are going to watch stars. I don't mean Li Dan or other laughing staff, there are also stars in the talk show.

It takes several hours for a program to be recorded, and it takes several hours to record. The time cost is very high. With so much time cost, it is unlikely to be offline for an hour and a half just to watch a funny performance. You need to look at the stars in the performance, and the stars will have a great bonus if they speak well.

Another one is that there are many interference factors on the show site. The stage is very luxurious, and there are many places that attract your attention. There are no such things in offline performances. All the places are dark, only the stage is bright, and the look and feel is very different. So you see that the actors on this year's show are all shouting, shouting, and they must be loud, otherwise the audience will not be able to hear them and will not be able to focus on you. attract the audience.

Sometimes the audience will be very sleepy in the second half of the recording. The breakout game was recorded for about 10 hours. If you don't work hard, the audience will easily get distracted. The seats at the recording site were also uncomfortable, and there was not even a backrest, so the audience's patience was even less. Moreover, the audience watching the show prefers stalks with more clever words.

The Paper : Do you prefer theater or online?

Small block : I definitely like to be good on "Talk Show" myself, because if you do well, it will be very easy to live. The meaning of saving trouble is that if you perform 30 minutes of jokes in "Talk Show Conference", basically you can do nothing this year, but if you want to get the same feedback offline, you need to perform a lot of scenes. Down. The laughter of the audience and the feedback from the scene are just the most common and direct feedback, but if you want to perform well on the show, you will get a lot more benefits.

The Paper : As a talk show actor, is the feedback from the audience's laughter more precious to you, or is the so-called "don't have to do it for a year" more precious to you?

Small block : This is not a conflict. There is a 30-minute performance on "Talk Show", and every segment must have laughter from the audience. It is impossible that the effect on the spot is not good, and the Internet has become popular again. This is unlikely. Although there is such a phenomenon, it is very rare. If you can blow up the "Talk Show Conference", the offline feedback must be very good.

In fact, all the actors who participated in the "Talk Show Conference" were very explosive offline, and those who were eliminated with 0 lights and 1 lights were also very popular offline. The offline performance is so explosive that it is now a qualification for entry. You must first meet this standard before you can participate in this show. In my opinion, talk shows have not reached the point where online and offline are two types, and online is just an advanced version of offline. Although there are more factors of uncertainty in online talk shows, most people who say that online talk shows are not good may be because they have not performed well online. Unless it is at the level of Zhou Qimo, he said that he prefers offline, I can believe it. I said don't believe it.

If I had to choose one, I would definitely choose online. No matter how well you perform in the theater, you will have a maximum of several hundred thousand people in one show, but I don’t need to say how many people watch the online show. This thing must be the more feedback the better, the happier, I have never seen any actor who can persist on the scene regardless of the audience. The more people the better.

The Paper : You don’t usually chat with your peers about jokes or work?

Xiaokuo : I rarely talk. When I want to talk to others about my own jokes, it must be the end of the writing. I can’t find any faults myself, so I will talk to others, but I don’t have any When the joke reaches this level, I will see a lot of faults and feel that it can be corrected, so there is no need to talk to others, but I don’t change it myself, so I have been unable to talk to others.

"As long as you are successful on your own, everything is reasonable."

The Paper : I watched your little show and thought those talk show actors were actually a little emotional.

Xiaokuo : Yes, as long as you do this, you must still recognize your own things, and you feel that you are the most powerful. I have never seen a talk show actor who feels that he is inferior to others from the bottom of his heart. Since ancient times, literati have these things "Inferiority" haha.

But what I said in "Tucao <Talk Show Conference> Conference" is indeed true. There may be more than 50 people participating in "Talk Show Conference" every year, and there may be ten successful ones. Their resources and traffic are too much. , I don't think it's necessary to make them so tired, and others can share a little bit. I want to use another way to give actors who are not on the show or offline a space to show themselves. Maybe some actors can't appear just because they don't have a character or are not suitable for this show, but they are also funny and fun in private. They don't have a platform, or a show, to release their bright spots.

Of course, I also feel to some extent in my heart that most people can't get on because of their ability, at least their ability to write online jokes is not good. But everyone is reluctant to say that, because objectively speaking, the level of talk show actors cannot be standardized. I have also really seen very bad actors in the show, but offline performances are very explosive actors.

This is a very complicated issue. For example, Xiaolu is a very top talk show actor. When she came this year, I thought she was going to attack the king, but she left after two rounds. You can't deny her strength just because she was eliminated in two rounds on the show. Strength is not the only factor that determines the outcome.

The Paper : Do you think the gap between the income of the talk show actors who succeed in the show and the income of the talk show actors who are not concerned in the show is unreasonable?

Small block : No, what they get is what they get through hard work, plagiarism or shady is called "unreasonable" in my opinion. Whether it's because of personality or because of luck, as long as you achieve success on your own, everything you gain is reasonable. Do well on the show, you deserve that.

The Paper : Do you still remember what happened when you first went to Kaimei?

Small block : The first time I talked about open wheat was before the Spring Festival in 2017. After that, the Spring Festival was celebrated. At that time, the effect of the talk was quite good, because two female audience members drank too much that day, and they were happy with whatever they said, but they still gave me a lot of encouragement. I used to have a problem, people stuttered a lot, but later I found out that it was because in public, what you said was not what you wanted to say, and I was very resistant inside, but on the stage of a talk show, I said what I wanted to say. As I said, there are no obstacles at all, and the experience is very good.

At the beginning, I was hit a lot, not even just a hit. At that time, many people thought that I was such a dark person. For a long time at the beginning, I could not get any positive feedback. The reason for insisting may be that I don't think the audience's aesthetic level has improved yet, so I can't give up on myself because of their low aesthetics. I was joking and it was still a matter of the content I wrote. Later, I tried to adjust what I wrote, and the feedback was really good.

At that time, all I could attend was the rookie's open mic, and no one put pressure on me, but at the same time, you know, I can only talk about the rookie's open mic once a week, and the mature actors can talk about five or six times. In business performance, I clearly knew that if I improved, I would have more room, so I forced myself to improve. When I first started writing, I did write faster, and I wanted to express more things.

The Paper : I have seen the lives of many veteran actors of "Talk Show", which have already involved going to variety shows and entertainment circles. Some viewers feel that they are easily hollowed out every year. You are also a full-time talk show actor now, and your daily life is business presentations. Are you worried about being hollowed out?

Xiaokuo : I haven't encountered this problem for a while. I don't have any storage. I write it every time. I think that if I am strong enough, I can write jokes about many things around me. Just like Zhou Qimo, a mobile phone locates Iceland. Can write a paragraph, this is the point that everyone can see, but only he can write it. In the end, it's a question of ability.

The Paper : So do you think you have a talent for talk show?

Xiaokuo : My talent is more than that of others. Everyone’s talent is different. Some people’s talent is acting, some people’s writing is very subtle, and some people have audience affinity. I think my talent point is that the comedy aesthetic is relatively high.

Comedy aesthetics can only be based on results. I have been in this business for a long time and have seen many actors. Some actors may not perform well when they are offline, and no one likes them. If I can be on the show, I will definitely be popular, because I think this joke is really good. There are actually some basic standard lines. My basic standard is to see if this joke can be turned out. Many people say that a talk show is about a funny thing, or there is an expected violation at the end, but if it is purely from the perspective of a talk show Look, a good joke should not stop at only talking about one thing, but it should be able to turn out tricks in this matter. A lot of actors talk about jokes just to stay in the narrative, there is no subsequent development. Simply describing a thing and making it funny is just the basic ability of a talk show. I pay more attention to what can be found later.

The Paper : What do you think is a bad joke?

Xiaokuo : This must have its own standards. Actors have their own aesthetics, but I think other people's jokes are not good, not necessarily really bad, but I don't like them. I just vaguely felt that I could write better jokes than him, but I didn't, which is a little regrettable. Still have to write. I often feel that I haven't done a lot of things, and I'm definitely better than anyone else if I want to do it, but in fact, I can't do it.

I always thought that I didn’t like mangai very much, and I couldn’t get most of the manga talents. There are many Japanese manga talents who are very strong. I have watched some of them, but I still can’t stand it, but this year’s “Rehabilitation Center” (mangai group) ), I thought it was funny when I watched it offline. If you look at it a lot, the aesthetics may change a bit, but it cannot be static. Although my ability and ranking have steadily declined, my aesthetics are still improving.

The Paper : There is also a controversial point in the audience's discussion. The text of the talk show, the so-called output value and content are more important, and it's better to be funny. What do you think?

Small block : It must be more important to be funny. If you are playing with metaphors and satire, you can give speeches. Talk shows are not funny.

The Paper : Do you think offense is scaled?

Small block : There are scales, but I am a relatively large-scale person. I have not seen any talk show that offended me. I think some people may still be too small haha, maybe many people are not used to the culture of joking, I think there will be more in the future.